Oh, he never pointed a gun at us in the studio. I wanted to quell those rumors in the other books I read. There was only the four Ramones, Phil, and his engineer. He had a license to carry, and so did his bodyguard, but he never pointed a gun at anyone in his studio. I guess when he took the guns off and put them on the side of the console, it might have intimidated the other two Ramones. But me and Joey, we got along very well with him.